I am very medication-reactive. Not so much with the positive effects, but I can almost guarantee you I’ll get all the side effects.I get every side effect for antidepressants, every side effect for antipsychotics and every side effect for pretty much anything else.
And sometimes, just for good measure, I’ll get side effects that doctors say “aren’t possible”. They are my favorite. And those overractions are often on the lowest known effective dose of the medication.
But if you add a low dose, lower than thought effective, of an antipsychotic, can this be helpful?
I Overreact to Even Small Doses of Antipsychotics
Antipsychotics have some of the worst side effect profiles around (if you ask me, and well, you’re here, so you kind of did). While antipsychotics are entirely appropriate in the treatment of many disorders and even a miracle for some people, that doesn’t mean it’s all rainbows and lollipops. [push]The years spent trying out antipsychotics have been some of the worse years of my life physically, and often mentally.[/push]
And the reason why is because not only do I not find them overly helpful or effective, but I also find they are absolutely hellish is live through. Typically, on antipsychotics I wants to eat my weight in ice cream every day and that is when I’m not sleeping, which is most of the time. I swear, I don’t remember huge chunks of time because I just slept through them. And yes, I could complain about other things like tremors and weight gain as well. And other things like body temperature dysregulation. And the list goes on. Antipsychotics in effective doses suck for me.
But Antipsychotics Are So In
Antipsychotics are all the rage. Everyone gets them prescribed for everything. And as I mentioned over at Breaking Bipolar, Seroquel is the highest grossing psychotropic medication (that means it beat out every antidepressant) and antipsychotics in general are the highest-grossing class of medications pulling in $14.6 billion in 2009. (My mouth hangs open every time I read that.)[pull]Nevertheless, I’m not a fan of trend-following.[/pull]
And there is some good science behind why antipsychotics are being more frequently prescribed. Antipsychotics can help for intractable depression, mania as well as their traditional use in schizophrenia.
I Refuse to Take Antipsychotics
So last year, after gaining more weight and being hungry 25 hours a day I simply refuse to take another antipsychotic at all. In any combination. No More.
Um, except a tiny dose of Zyprexa. 1.25mg to be exact. That’s half of the lowest available dose. It’s pretty much all I can handle of the stuff.
My Doctor Was Sure The Low Dose Zyprexa Did Nothing
My doctor back in the US was pretty sure it was doing nothing and when I finally saw my old doctor here he was sure it was doing nothing so I stopped taking it. I like to try to do what the doctor says mainly because they don’t like it when you don’t. Listening to them and giving their advice a chance is how you build rapport.
And my guess is everyone in the room saw this coming: I started feeling like crap.
OK. Low Dose Zyprexa Might Be Doing Something
The change in mood was really notable. Often mood changes are so gradual they are hard to see, but not this one. From manageable to unmanageable in a day-and-a-half. I then met with another doctor to get official word to go back on it. Basically I wanted to see if it was likely I was having a psychosomatic reaction. She seemed to think not, so last night I took a dose.
Low Dose Antipsychotics Good for Stabilization?
When I met with this new doctor (another long story, she’s a resident) she said that low dose antipsychotics are typically good at stabilization, not so good as antidepressants, for that you need a higher dose, but good for all that rapid-cycling business. That’s just the opinion of one doctor, but I thought I’d share.
See, I’m on 6 other meds besides Zyprexa. And there are these interaction things. No one can really say what the interactions are per se, as the combo is too complex, but obviously there are some. So it’s quite possible that 1.25mg in my system is like 2.5mg or 5mg in someone else’s system. No one really knows.
And sure enough, I do feel better today. It does feel a little easier to hack away at projects and try to get work. I don’t feel quite so crushingly sad. It’s really a nice change.
So, Jump On the Low Dose Antipsychotic Bandwagon?
Obviously, I can’t say what someone should or should not do so I’m not going to even try. I will say though that some people do use low doses of drugs, particularly antipsychotics, quite successfully. Sometimes it’s for sleep and sometimes it’s for mood, but sometimes it works. Antipsychotics sometimes “turn up” other medication. It’s the suspected reason why the Zyprexa/Celexa combo works so well. The small amount of Zyprexa increases the efficacy of the Celexa. Of course, that is partially supposition.
But if you’re like me, and have tried antipsychotics but can’t stand the side effects, perhaps you might want to try a low dose combo route. If your doctor was always pushing the dose (which they usually do) you’ve likely never given the low dose a chance to work. It’s at least worth a conversation with your psychiatrist.
Agreed. I used to insist on the sledge hammer approach to things, but that’s not the way with antipsychotics. Low dose Largactil (25mg daily) is working well for me, it’s just enough to help sleep but I can still get up nice and early. It also doesn’t temper a mild hypomania, which is great, and it calms the nerves.
I’m on 1mg of risperdal once daily. Initially my doctor had me on 3mg once daily but it was zombieland for me on that high a dose so we brought it down to where I am now. I have the food/weight gain problem but I’d rather be fat than hypomanic any day. My problems is antidepressants. Everything made me manic but paxil but I have to take 60mg/day to get the proper effect. Lithium/risperdal/paxil and xanax as needed is the pharmacocktail that seems to work for me.
Hi sansanity, Yup, I'm pretty sure you mentioned it :)If you don't need to take it every day, then lucky you! If it works, that's great. If you decide at some point to take it consistently, keep in mind that on a low dose you may build up tolerance to the falling asleep thing. Lots of people do. But you're not going to see that tolerance if you're taking it twice a month.I do know that some people have a med they take "as needed" when they start to get depressed or manic that seems to work well for them. I've personally never seen this work for me, but if it did, I'd be pretty happy about it.Glad to hear you're med-compliant. Doing that is going to give you your best chance in the long-run of maintaining some form of remission.Congratulations!- N
I think I have posted before about seroquel being a miracle drug for me or perhaps I only thought about it and was too freakin lazy to).At any rate, my nurse manager in partial insisted the dr. give me a low dose of seroquel. It definitely smoothed things out. When I got out my pdoc was ok with it BUT insisted I go to as needed rather than everyday.So I take somewhere between 12.5 mg to 25 mg as needed (and the need is generally 1 -2x a month). The only problem (and the reason I can't take it every day) is while I will wake up in the morning, given the opportunity to drift back to sleep I sleep for hours. If I get up and get on with the day I am fine but as hiding in the bed is my coping method of choice seroquel could easily derail me.It's important to me for 2 reasons:1- I feel like I have a secret weapon against the depression. I don't feel like I have no options when I feel my mood change and can be proactive. Otherwise when I felt the slip I think I would just give up and wait for the end because I am not sure i can go through another round of medication roulette right now.2- I have managed to not up my cymbalta which is good considering the side effects I seem to experience with high doses of SSRIs and SNRIs.My current med regimen is not PERFECT but its lack of extreme horrendousness means that I am on my longest med compliant stretch ever.
Seroquel is not a good medicine for me cause it made me convulse. I agree that a low dose is the way to go. We just lowered my abilify and I feel good. I am glad to know your Zyprexa dose is working for you.
Hi Shannon, Well, whatever you do, make sure and talk to your doctor.And don't ever go cold turkey off a med again. All kinds of bad things – like seizures – can happen to you.(I understand when doctors don't want you off a med, but if you tell them you insist, they should help you with a taper schedule.)Good luck.- N
Hey Natasha.This one is timely for me. I will bring it up with my doc. Seroquel worked for a time. I used to say, "the miracle of seroquel" until it turned on me one day. no one would let me off the stuff. So I cold turkied it (whoa) But felt MUCH better. I am a rapid cycler and treatment resistant. I also take 3 others. 4 doesn't seem like such a big deal in light of your six :) I think I'll go for it!Thank-you for the info!and I am so glad you are feeling better… than worse!~sm
It's a balancing act for everyone. If I really was _happy_ and I could keep the weight at least under control, then maybe that's what I would do. But honestly, being hungry every moment of the day is a pretty brutal side effect to deal with. More than more people realize.- N
I am actually on Seroquel and it is the only thing that has been consistently effective. I have gained a ton of weight but I figure I would rather be fat than crazy.