I despise toxic positivity and I especially despise toxic positivity around my mental illness. Toxic positivity shrouds itself in “helpfulness” and yet hides a shiv beneath it. Toxic positivity comes in forms like, “Yoga will help your anxiety,” or “Meditation will calm your feelings of depression,” and when you scowl, it is then followed quickly by the words, “I’m just trying to help.” Well, here’s the thing, positivity may have its place in the world and in mental illness, but when positivity crosses the line and becomes something that actually hurts instead of helps — that’s toxic positivity and it has no place around serious mental illness.
People Reject the Idea of Toxic Positivity Around Mental Illness
I recently posted an image to Instagram and Facebook that said, “Toxic positivity not welcome here.”
As with so many of the things I post, I didn’t think it was a big deal or controversial. As I have been many times before, I was wrong. While some people knew, instantly, what I was talking about, others chimed in with extremely unhelpful comments like,
- “Attitude is everything.”
- “Positive thinking can never hurt when fighting any illness.”
- “It’s hard to accept these things [being told to eat well, exercise, etc.] when we would like to wallow, but they’re true.”
There are two words that spring to mind when I read these things. They are “fuck” and “off.”
(These words aren’t directed at these people but, rather at toxic positivity in general.)
Yeah, you’re probably already offended, and that’s okay. But what the people who make these statements do not gather, it would seem, is that I, and many like me, have been doing this for decades. I have been maintaining a “positive attitude” for more years than many have been alive. I’m still as sick as all get out and it’s like this for some of us regardless as to some magic positivity metric. Oh, and telling sick people they’re wallowing or that they “want to” wallow is extremely insulting and dismissive. If I wanted to wallow in my bipolar disorder I wouldn’t be working so hard at maintaining any degree of wellness.
I suspect we tend to get this treatment because we have invisible illnesses, invisible disabilities. If you could see our suffering, you would stop suggesting that we are “wallowing” and not positive enough and understand we are simply living with a ball and chain the size of a small planet dragging us down.
And why did people reject my objection around toxic positivity and mental illness? Well, because they don’t want to believe they are toxic for one; and two, for all their caring, they apparently don’t have what it takes to actually stop and listen to the person they supposedly care so much about.
What Is Toxic Positivity Around Mental Illness?
You can experience toxic positivity around anything, but in my case, the toxic positivity that gets me is around mental illness. I have seen this over and over and over again. I will quote Jessica Cummin, who originally posted the above-mentioned image on Instagram:
“Toxic positivity often comes in the form of pseudo woke people who think good vibes, veganism, meditation, alkalising(?!) etc will make things easier. It’s gaslighting statements that in effect blame you for your illness and imply you’re not doing enough and you’re the reason you’re ill. It’s ideas that mind over matter changes everything and to be honest it’s toxic, dangerous and totally invalidating . . . We’ve all come across one too many instances of toxic positivity and it HAS to end. The idea of speaking badness brining it into existence is simply not how the world . . . works.”
@thechroniciconic via Instagram
Exactly.
The reason toxic positivity gets my hackles up so dramatically is because it is assumptive and, indeed, blaming. Someone, let’s say, Positive Patty, simply assumes that because I’m still as sick as I am, I must not have a positive attitude — thus, if I would just “turn that frown upside down” I would get better and it is my fault that I don’t get better. And then Positive Patty feels better about herself because one, she must have more positivity than me for not being as sick (or sick at all) and two, she deigned to help the plebeian(s) who doesn’t understand the value of a positive mindset.
Yeah, yippee for Positive Patty; she sure did a good job helping someone out today.
So, basically, toxic positivity is anyone who piously tells you what you need to do to get better — and yes, it’s often about your “attitude.” People say things like,
- “Have you tried going gluten-free?”
- “You need to cut out processed foods, wheat, milk product, etc.”
- “You need to meditate every day.”
- “You need to get off of all those medications.”
- “You need see a holistic practitioner, swami, yogi, etc..”
- “You need an exorcism.”
- “You need to believe in Christ, pray more, etc.”
- “You need to take vitamin D, choline, vitamin C, etc.”
- “You need to stop talking about your bipolar all the time.”
- “You need to look at things in a different way.”
And so on and so on and so on. There is no end of things that would fix me.
It’s amazing I’m still stick after receiving all this great advice.
Why Is Positivity So Toxic Surrounding Mental Illness?
I could write pages and pages about why positivity — which people think of as “good” — is actually toxic for people with serious mental illnesses when used in the wrong ways. In short, toxic positivity actually makes the person with the mental illness feel worse or it makes them abandon real, medical treatments for woo-woo-jade-egg-in-you-vagina treatments. And that doesn’t just hurt people, it can actually kill them.
So let’s look at an example. Positive Patty says: “I practice yoga every morning and I’m fine,” or, less pointedly, “Yoga would help your depression.”
From my perspective, Positive Patty can go piss up a rope. She doesn’t know me or my story and thus can’t possibly know what I need. She also doesn’t know how much yoga I’ve tried over the period of my illness and its effect (or lack thereof). What she’s saying, though, is if I did something as simple as yoga, I wouldn’t be so sick. This suggests that I’m not actually trying to get better, because if I was, I would be better — like her.
Another example: Positive Patty says, “You can control your illness with diet if you just get off of all those pills and look at things in a positive way.”
Oh my, can Positive Patty just drop dead over that one. Positive Patty obviously doesn’t understand the medication literally keeps me alive and she clearly doesn’t understand the science between bipolar and diet. (FYI, after much study, there is still no diet that is believed to help bipolar disorder.) And while positivity has its place, telling someone to be more positive is like asking a person without legs to run. It’s not reasonable in the least.
Messages to Give Positive Patty Around Mental Illness and Toxic Positivity
There are many motivations a Positive Patty might have. She might really be trying to help and just doing so in a really bad and destructive way. She might also be trying to proselytize what she considers to be the truth based on teachings such as those of antipsychiatry. She might be trying to generalize her own experience onto yours. Whatever her motivations, though, she is harmful. She is toxic. She won’t want to hear this, in fact, she likely won’t believe it, but it’s true.
When you run into a Positive Patty, and believe me, you will, you might try saying:
- “I appreciate that has helped you, but it doesn’t work for me.”
- “I understand that is your belief, but I prefer to go with science.”
- “You may be trying to help, but I’m finding your advice harmful and blaming.”
- “I know you care, but I would appreciate you keeping unsolicited advice to yourself. I’m working with professionals to get better.”
I think it’s best to give Positive Patty the benefit of the doubt and believe that she really is trying to help while asserting your own boundaries and saying that what she’s doing just isn’t helpful for you.
Yes, my initial response to the people denying toxic positivity on my page was quite harsh, but that’s because I’ve heard it over and over again and I’m tired to being blamed for my own illness and I’m tired of people telling me to do things that aren’t scientifically reasonable and I’m tired of people assuming that what I’ve already tried to deal with bipolar disorder isn’t enough. I’m also tired of people telling me that I’m not “positive” enough. In short, I’m very, very tired.
I have an illness that tries to kill me on a daily basis and yet people think they can judge me and how I handle that illness when they are not psychiatrists or psychologists and, more specifically, are not my psychiatrist or psychologist. Put simply. these people are not behaving reasonably and do not know what they are talking about. Every person’s journey with a serious mental illness is different, but what I know is that working with a psychiatrist (and often a psychologist) on medically-validated therapies is the way to get better. Listening to people in your family or on the internet or in a support group is not.
Ignore toxic positivity around mental illness and don’t allow it to make you feel bad or question choices you have carefully made with your doctor. Recognize this “positivity” for what it is: harmful. Dismiss it. Listen to the people who are trained to help you and know the science. And realize that not everything works for every person and you don’t need to justify that, or your experiences, or your treatment decisions, to anyone.
Fantastic post, thank you so much!
Such a good post. I have experienced so much of this and it really gets me down. I have had to stop seeing or speaking to a lot of friends and family because all they do is suggest I am not doing enough or not doing the right thing therefore its my fault Im ill. And if I reject any of their ideas Im “tutted” at as if “there’s no helping him. “You want to get off those pills, they’re not helping”, “have you tried vitamin [insert your letter]” “stop navel gazing”, my friend was very depressed then she started running and has been well for years. She even does the London Marathon”, the list goes on an on. “Have you tried drinking less?” I hadn’t had a drink for two years!!! An old friend openly laughed at me when I told her I was Bipolar. I nearly broke down
And when Im hypomanic they say how great it is to see a smile on my face and I know they mean well and that it appears alls fine but I want to say, actually Im not, Im cycling quite fast and this isn’t healthy. Basically I have found I have to cut these people out or put up with their refusal to learn and stop giving me fuck-wit advice
Thank you for writing this! I’ve been fortunate not to run into very much of this in my personal life, and when I have I’ve generally been able to talk people out of their assumptions. That said, this is a major pet peeve of mine, and I lit up when I read it.
Thank you….simply.. Just thanks!
I love this. I was initially treated for depression by my Primary. After several embarrassing incidents & being Rx free I was dx (bipolar 1, NOS, then 2, now 1 & PTSD), so you can imagine how excited I was to run into an old friend who’d gone from artist to therapist PhD. Unfortunately, we could only communicate in his words if the exchanges “were really positive”, ?. BTW I’m a yoga teacher & work from home & he’s thriving naive? I’m sorry to be rude bt I often walk out of my psych docs thinking why TF do I keep coming here? I’ve had agoraphobia the majority of the time since some trauma in 2015 & he’s said “do your yoga, you have to get out there, hoe many dogs do you have now & called the Baldwin’s dickfaces. Please continue to advocate for us. Please… My friend was right out of Pratt for Art Therapy so I’m thinking they teach this positivity crap to friends & family as well as therapists.
An excellent article Natasha & one that provides a label for all manner of misguided and often unsought advice. Most of these simplistic nostrums really reflect their givers ie a bit simple. They don’t understand that the solution to a very complex problem or illness is not a simple cure-all.
As someone with a mental illness for over 40 years (BP1) I generally avoid disclosing it : it is stigmatising and invites lots of ignorant suggestions. The best thing is to just battle it with help of health professionals.
What annoys me also is the mentality that regards mental illness as some sort of gift -as if there was a silver lining to it. A notable case in point is Kay Redfield Jamieson & while it may have provided her with great study opportunities these are only secondary to her illness.
Natasha Tracy, A big THANK YOU for what you write it’s like you write what I feel, think, believe, want to say, and so much more. I had been diagnosed ages ago like in 1996 more than one doctor….etc…hyper child etc…now 54 on disability for it and also and DAV pay for sports injury long story…but anyway, just thank you, thank you. I can totally relate to a lot of your writings. It’s like finally someone out here gets it. Your such an awesome writer. Appreciate you writing things that are so hidden deeply relatable that a lot of people just can not grasp. I seriously hate the ableisms, stigmas, discriminations verbally I constantly have gotten over the years that come from a lot of people. You writings are so 100% relatable and it’s like an long exhale of relief knowing that out in this big old world some people get it. Thank you for this. Kathy in Kentucky
From my comment above somethings were left out. I have been drawing SSDI for over 11 years for bp1, anxiety, depression, etc… And DAV pay for foot sports injury nerve damage over 16 years. Toxic Positivity article is the truth. I also get a lot of verbal discrimination from certain family members, some folks in medical fields, strangers who I never tell of my disabilities anything and yet they know how I have no clue?, also get a lot of abuse in community from neighbors or even mail folks. A lot of people do not like people with invisible disabilities. Even educated people can be cruel. Well, thank you for being a light. You have no idea.
Wow! Thank you Natasha. I have an adult son with this condition and to be honest my family and I have been so very toxic in this respect. Your article has truly shown me how awful we have all been towards my son and sadly it has divided our family. So look forward to reading more from you.
I agree to certain extent. I believe its important to create a balance in your life not only with the mediation that is provided but hearing these that can possibly enhance your way of living there is nothing wrong with that. I am starting a vlog that promotes a healthy lifestyle and I too have bipolar disorder and for me hearing ways that i can keep my mind from going on a whirl pool and get into mediation yoga and etc instead of sitting in my misery of how I can not change something.
do you believe you have SOME control of you emotions and thoughts to the point where you can channel something positivity? is that wrong for people to let positively be known ? or Im wondering in your case of expertise and knowledge how can someone help enhance you with an invisible disability without being certificated besides telling them they need meds?
I would just like to add Natasha that sometimes people with mental illness are isolated and have no social network. Steve McCrea became my friend online and part of my social network and he has remained so even though i thought he had dropped me.
He is not toxic as a person and believes we should each find our own way and find out what suits us best ourselves. He doesn’t believe that doctors should promote the chemical imbalance theory as fact because there is so much that can make a person mentally ill like traumatic events and society in general. Life is hard for everybody. It’s just some of us get really hurt in the wake of life’s events and need help to survive.
I look at every perspective when it comes to mental illness and have decided that anti psychiatry and bio psychiatry both have their good and bad points. They both are valuable when it comes to people’s welfare.
Hi Natasha! I have had a mental illness since i was 17 eventually getting help when i was 23 because of my brother. He has died since. He too had a mental illness. I am known by what is classed as a revolving door patient because of all the many times i have been admitted to hospital.
I follow the antipsychiatry website Mad In America and Dr Peter Breggin and recently and for the past 6 months or so i have been receiving emails from their moderator Steve McCrea. These people including Robert Whitaker believe that medication should be avoided at all costs and treatment should not be compulsory nor should detention. I read all the comments made by people on their website and frankly i disagree with their attitudes. They actually dismiss mental illness and say that it is normal behavior and drug induced behavior that affects people like me.
Needless to say i told Steve McCrea and I don’t really know why he has bothered to email me, i told him i actually believed in what you said and had to say and followed your blog and he has dropped me.
Over the weekend i had for a day or so bad moments where i was paranoid and quite unwell and it wasn’t until i could get in touch with my nurse yesterday and talk it over with her on the phone and she reassured me that i would feel better soon which i did because she knows i travel in and out of these moods. She advised lorazepam which can make all the difference to me when i take it very moderately about 3 tablets all in all. Steve McCrea and the likes don’t believe people like me should take medication and in that respect they are toxic and give out toxic advice so I am glad i no longer correspond with him.
I wanted to thank you for your blog and i do follow you and from experience i believe what you say. I am on medication and although the illness breaks through i do not get psychotic on my present dose. I can hold it together.
Today i will email details of your blog to my MHT and hopefully it can be distributed among the psychiatric workers at my clinic.
Thank you Natasha for being brave enough to tell it as it is and to remain totally un toxic.
Say it louder!!
I recently made a post on reddit about “This too Shall Pass” and how I HATE hearing that.. because it doesn’t pass. A mood that has changed hasn’t passed. Bipolar Disorder will NEVER pass! It’s just a constant cycle that changes like the seasons… but it doesn’t mean it has ever ended. That no matter how well I do or how much I take care of myself I will always be like this… How I am sick and tired of being sick and tired and being blamed for “not trying” hard enough or whatever.
You can take a guess at what most of the replies were like…
“But it’s literally MY mantra!”
“When I say that what I REALLY mean is… you WILL eventually get better”
“I know what you mean but… I HAVE to tell myself this or else!”
“I embrace the ups and downs because I know they will come and go!”
I just wanted to scream reading all the responses, as only a couple of them were remotely understanding where I was coming from. I didn’t realize I was talking about toxic positivity until I read this.
Fuck. Yes.
This is the best thing I’ve read in…. ever about what I’ve thought of as shameful gaslighting I hear every time my mental state is discussed outside of my psychiatrist’s office. Everyone knows more, everyone has a jackassy anecdote about some likely misattributed correlation to some feel good moment of theirs. The moral of the story is that I can do better by being more like them.
Fuck them. I’m alive in spite of all their efforts. I must be doing something right. I’ll go with that for now.
Natasha – Thank you for the insight.
I believe this all comes from a place of ignorance and misinformation. The ignorance is from *not* having personally experienced mental illness – and that one IMHO is pretty hard to solve. (You may disagree, but that’s been my experience.) The misinformation is from our culture, society, religion, families, and even our education systems that push positivity as if “mind over matter” were some ancient scientific principle. I think positive thinking *can* positively affect outcomes, but just as often it cannot.
Fortunately none of this bugs me much. If someone says something stupid to me, I try to educate them or let it slide according to how I feel at the time. If I’m ill, I likely don’t even hear/understand what they’re saying so it’s irrelevant.
Yes..this illness is trying to kill me everyday and I am fearful that it might. Mine was rooted in trauma 2 years ago. Before that, I was ‘normal’. Have been to lots of doctors and therapists. Nothing has helped so far other than benzos which we know cannot be taken every day. So if someone tells me to try yoga or aerobic exercise, I tell them where to go. It should be so simple!!!
~ I stopped (many years ago) sharing with anyone about my mental illness (except doctors for medications, etc.) It never helps and I’m not gonna let ppl put me down that don’t know what they’re talking about. For the most part ppl think if you have a mental illness you are a bottom feeder (the lowest of the low). Less than. There’s a huge stigma that is attached to the mentally ill. And it hasn’t changed much in the 50 plus years since I was diagnosed. Not much at all. And I actually don’t give a shit. My life is just fine (including my self-navigating a complicated mental illness(s). No; it hasn’t been easy but deleting ppl that put their own bullshit on me (to get better) has helped enormously. For me anyway. I have to say that your (Natasha’s) posts are a blessing to me. Its one more safe place for me. I read and enjoy every post. And I know I’m not alone. Thanks Natasha! ~
Agreed. The amount of people who don’t understand a brain with anxiety or depression just astounds me. I can’t tell you how many people have told me to just ‘pull myself out of it’. Ah huh, yeah okay. Education needs to begin at a high school level so that everyone is aware of how the brain works. Incorporate some neuroscience into high school kids’ health lessons to teach them what happens to the brain in various conditons such as bipolar, depression, anxiety, adhd, etc. Surely, this would help the general population become more aware and empathetic. Pipe dream for now, but it would be nice.
Such a valuable article! My brother is severely bipolar and is trying to recover from a bad depression. I just cringe when people say things like, “You need to get up out of that bed” or “You feel sorry for yourself.”
Another thing that bothers me is something a bit unrelated to the topic. A close friend always blames these episodes on the person who has been nearest to him previous to the episode. No one is immune, believe me!
Oh, right on! You have expressed perfectly what I have felt for years of BP and given it a label: toxic positivity, that I didn’t have before! It is so apt. Thank you!
Indeed, I dare go further to say, this is exactly how I also feel about Cognitive Behavioural Therapy …