In part one I discussed the details of a study about 100 people who attempted suicide in Florida. Part two outlines the predictive factors for suicide attempts identified in this study and how we can use this information to predict who will attempt suicide.
And perhaps more importantly, how you can prevent a suicide attempt in a loved one.
Factors that Predict a Suicide Attempt
Some of these predictive factors are noticeable by others, while others are not. The biggest factor in predicting a suicide attempt, no surprise to me, is anxiety. While 80% of people who attempted suicide had a depressed mood, 92% had severe anxiety. It is my belief the nervous (anxious) energy of anxiety is often what causes people to act on their suicidal thoughts.
Factors determined to predict a suicide attempt, in order of predictive value:
- Severe anxiety (92%) and/or panic attacks (80%)
- Depressed mood (80%) (History of major depressive disorder – 43%)
- Recent loss of close, personal relationship (78%)
- Substance (including alcohol) abuse (68%)
- Feelings of hopelessness (64%), helplessness (62%) and worthlessness (29%)
- Recent (within two months) onset of psychiatric symptoms (50%)
- Global insomnia (46%) partial insomnia (92%)*
- Anhedonia (43%)
- Chronic deteriorating medical illness (41%)
- Inability to maintain job or student status (36%)
- Recent onset of impulsive behavior (29%)
- Recent diagnosis of life-threatening illness (9%)
It’s worth noting that 43% were drinking at the time of the suicide attempt. Drinking alcohol increases the chances of suicide. Believe me. This one is a big deal. Those of us with a mental illness should not drink alcohol.
Non-Predictive Factors of a Suicide Attempt
Interestingly, some of the commonly known suicide risk factors were not shown to be accurate in this study. Factors that did not predict suicide attempts include:
- 69% had no persistent, significant suicidal thoughts before the suicide attempt; 84% reported fleeting thoughtsof suicide similar to those reported by hundreds ofother patients who did not attempt suicide
- 9% left a suicide note
- 67% had never attempted suicide before
- 14% had a previous suicide plan before the time of their attempted suicide
- 84% had no family history of suicidal behavior
- 17% had a psychiatric disorder history longer than six months
Sheesh. That’s startling compared to what most experts have to say about suicide attempts.
Most Disturbing Fact About Suicide Attempts
This comes as no surprise to me, but people who attempt suicide are very likely to have seen a healthcare provider in the month prior to their suicide attempt:
84% had sought the counsel of a healthcare provider in the month before their attempted suicide, seeking help for their emotional state. . . Most reported they had not been asked about their emotional state or suicidal potential during their visit. Most reported dissatisfaction with their healthcare provider.
Yes, I’d say I’m pretty dissatisfied too.
What Predicts a Suicide Attempt?
According to this study and some associated studies, I would say the major risk factors for a suicide attempt are:
- Living alone under the age of 46
- Substance use / abuse
- Diagnosis of an affective disorder (bipolar / depression)
- Recent diagnosis of illness (psychiatric or not)
- Recent onset of psychiatric symptoms
- Recent visit to a healthcare provider
- Insomnia
- Anxiety
- Depression; feelings of hopelessness, helplessness and worthlessness; anhedonia
- Relationship disruption / loss
- Loss of work / school functioning
- Impulsive behavior
Suicide Attempt Predictors, the Good News
If those are the predictors of a suicide attempt that’s actually good news because now we can know for what to look. We can identify high-risk people and high-risk times for ourselves and others.
I wouldn’t say the old standbys like a suicide note or making a specific plan don’t matter, because they do, but the above gives us a tangible list, backed up by data, of what really happens to people before a suicide attempt.
This information provides a starting point for conversation. Instead of just asking if the person feels suicidal or if they have written a suicide note, now there are other questions we can ask that we know pertain to suicide attempts.
Knowledge is power. This knowledge is power over suicide.
If you are feeling like you might hurt yourself or someone else, get help now. You are not alone.
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Notes
Data Limitations
Remember, this is only 100 people, which means we’re just getting an approximate, hazy picture, and not the “real” numbers. Also, most of the information had to be reported by the suicide attempter or their family and people lie.
Also, this is the data of people who attempt suicide which isn’t the same thing as committing suicide. (A subject for another day, perhaps.)
Footnote
* Partial insomnia is defined as difficulty falling asleep, sleep continuity disorder or early morning awakenings.
I will be 35 in a few months and have experienced the “wanting to die” feeling for a while. My daughter is four years old and is the sweetest thing in the world. She is sound sleeping in my bedroom now and that’s the only thing that prevent me from jumping off our balcony. My husband is in one of his trips and wont be able to make it home for her. I cant bear to leave her behind with the trauma of having a mother who kills herself. In the beginning I discussed my suicidal thought with my husband he brushed it off. He knew i was unhappy but He didnt think my thought was more than a cry for attention. And even I thought it was a cry for attention….until it keeps coming back. I never intend to act on it. Just that sometimes it is too hard to go on expecting tomorrow to be the same. I am an expatriate and I never really fit in anywhere be it my husband’s homeland, mine or wherever we are in the world. Everyday is a struggle for me to just get myself up and running for the day, and act like i am the happiest mother and wife in the world. I once read a book that if we are unhappy we should act on it. I tried. Whatever i do, workout, meeting people, chanting positive thoughts, the uplifting moments never last. For me i dont want to live and for my family i dont want to die.
I can’t see the point of living now my husband has died.
My friends have helped with practcalities but I am sad and loely without my loved partner.
Hi. I am 38 and have struggled with depression all my life but in recent years, have mostly been okay. I’m a professor ( my dream job!) but my current job is not enough pay for me and the stress of knowing I will have to move again to an unknown location is getting to me (I’ve moved every 1-2 years for the past 16 years for jobs, school, graduate school etc.) I am single and have not been ‘in love’ (requited) all my life. With the exception of one long term relationship that wasn’t right ten years ago, I’ve spent most of my adult life not being able to get past a few weeks or dates with anyone. I recently met someone I thought was wonderful. It was long distance and he did not want to commit but we kept in touch daily for several months and visited twice. It’s ended and (turns out- I was unaware), he’s blocked my number. It really ended back in February but also never really got off the ground. I was traveling and doing okay but now that I’m back in the city I moved to a year ago, I feel so sad and hopeless, part of why I reached out to him to find myself blocked. I feel I just want a place or person to call ‘home’. I have friends but I don’t know, I don’t feel safe or that I have a home. It’s a feeling I carry everywhere. The pain of losing this person in my life this way hurts and not understanding his motivations with me ever and I’m spiraling. I’m so tired of this repeating pattern and I’m so scared of my lonely mindset. I’m afraid that I’ll end up single forever. This scares me, not because I’m desperate for romance ( though that would be nice) but because I feel like I need a sense of home and it’s so hard when you’re older to come home alone every day. Talking to him each day filled that hole which is why I put up with his less than ideal lack of true commitment. I’m so afraid of hitting retirement and not having the fun relaxing life my parents do. They do because they have each other- as well as my brother and I- but mostly each other on a daily basis to relax and enjoy life with- they go out to eat, cook, go out with mutual friends, concerts etc., together. If I continue this way, I can look forward to 40 years of watching TV alone at night to hear voices. I feel I’m heading down a path to bone aching daily loneliness for the rest of my life. Im not even sure this makes sense. Because even when I’m with people, I still don’t feel at home. I want to put down my roots. This pain hurts so much and I want to die to end it but I also want to stop feeling this way and want to love life. I either want to be 1. dead or 2. to enjoy living but not this limbo land and I can’t find the former within myself. So if I can’t find 2, I wish I could just do 1….Writing and reading this site has helped me tonight so I want to say thank you.
My heart goes out to you Molly. I’m a 35 year old fuckup with a pretty different situation but I understand the sadness. There’s no way to phrase this in a comments section without sounding bizarre, but I’m part of a live journal group that has grown out of a mental health support online forum which provides a bit of an online sense of home at least in terms of emotional support. I’ve just got this feeling that you might fit in there. If that’s something you’d be interested in please let me know here. If you feel comfortable, maybe the best thing to do is to set up a junk email address and leave it here. I can then email you and tell you more about the group.
I’m bipolar and now I have anxiety and depression problems.
I can handle the depression but the anxiety is real bad. That is the one thing that will kill me in the end. I don’t know how long I can keep up with this panic attacks. My life is a mess right now.
I have had suicide thoughts since I was young (44 years now). I have kids and a wife, and it is my kids that have kept me alive. Now they are small adults (20-24) and I feel like it’s my time to finally rest.
It’s hard to feel like this. Even when I have my good periods I think about that it would be nice to die now. So this morbid thoughts never go away, even when I have a great time. And that’s sad.
Hope everyone who has written her get’s the help that they deserve. Life is to short anyway to live like this.
Only wish I could be normal and that I never had to worrie about getting the depression and anxiety back. Because when I have my good times I still think about how long is this going to last…
I am 64 yo. I attempted suicide once. Are you ever too old to commit suicide? That’s all that’s on my mind. Not because of any particular problem, it’s everything. I really don’t see any purpose now to take up space. Yes, I have children, grandchildren but everyone is so consumed with their own life. As well as it should be. I am seeing a therapist off and on but I think my mind is made up to the point I am getting everything in order. So I guess I am one of the elite being at an age it should not be a option.
reaa-The BP support group meetings I go to-there was a man who said it was “twenty years” since he tried before-that’d put him in his 60’s as well. There were two women who-one for sure attempted-again, both in 60’s. Also, my friends mom is about 65ish-she tried last summer-or the summer before. I thought the same thing-that it must be very unusual-but apparently not. Age really doesn’t matter in the big scheme of things. Wish you well-
I benefit sanction is making me very depressed.I have suicidal thoughts daily.Life at the moment is barely an existence.I cant cope with the jobcentre bullshit much longer,
I’m a alcoholic, I have had suicidal thought since I was a young teen. Had treatment this year for alcohol. I had 3 attempts b4 treatment and 1 after. Have no idea why nothing is working. My doc uped my depression meds and changed anxiety med and added another depression and anxiety med. They aren’t helping. [moderated]
Im 19 so much has happened in the past year , my family moved , im spending my summer in a shitty town in the middle of nowhere and i have am abusive step dad and severe uncontrollable anxiety and i am scared because I have Recently been having thoughts about suicide and that scares me because i’ve never actually thought about thIs before . Im going to start speaking to a psychiatrist since im in this shitty town for the summer and I dont know anyone here since my family moved here across the country while i am in college. Its a tough life but everyone has to remember or atleast try to remember that while we are here thinking about possibly taking our lives away there are people Trying to save theirs. Ive never told any of this to anyone before so if youre out there reading this i know how you feel i know your heart beats faster when something bothers you. I know that its almost like you are two people and u feel things more things ‘normal’ people dont feel but we can make it through thos… amd if we make it through this hard time… we can make it through the rest of our natural lives We only get a few decades here on earth and the rest of eternity in that ‘other place’….
wise beyond your years. i bet you read. :)
take care.
2 June 15.
Problems NOT Solvable:
1) Kidneys are dying. (Function 25 to 20%. Depends on test.).
2) Osteoporosis.
3) Diabetes.
4) ED (Venous Leakage. Duplex Test.). NOT solvable. 20 years duration.
5) False Criminal Charges by police. (No witness. No victim. No Proof). But Police convinced. As soon as people are aware, no job possible.
6) REFUSAL of bribes. Others took. My name destroyed. Boss took. Destroyed my name. Impossible to work.
7) NO RELATIONSHIP POSSIBLE FOR MANY YEARS. due to above/below reasons. Cannot change.
8) Daughter removed. (Could not adopt due to above.) Know child from 6 months. Cannot change.
9) No money. Last months rent NOW.
10) Eviction coming soon due to loophole in law. Cannot change. (Except lots of cash.).
11) Never think that i have lived a useless life. My life very fruitful.
12) Simply, no where to go.
13) Endo Doctor said: ” I am a loss to know what to do.” i.e. No realistic hope/solution.
14) Kidney Doc. said: ”HOPEFULLY we can stop catastrophic failure.). i.e. IFFY. Not realistic to hope.
15) Prostate Problem. Not resolvable at the present. Cancer runs in family.
16) FALSE CRIMINAL CHARGES BY POLICE HAVE FOLLOWED ME FOR YEARS.
17) Neighbors caused problems for me 2 1/2 years ago. (FALSE CHARGES BY POLICE. No proof.No victims.).
18) No money for therapy. PEOPLE TEND TO BELIEVE FALSE CHARGES. ALWAYS DOUBTED NOW.
19) I will hazard a guess that you have never had a person where all this came together at once and a lot of this continued for many years. All have followed me. Damaged/harmed/DESTROYED MY LIFE.
20) This is what I must live with.
Thoroughly unpleasant life.
Who is going to solve. No one. No money. That’s it.
No one to even talk with about this.
Hi,just letting you know you are not alone.Im hoping things are more hopeful
I am beyond help!There is no help even lifeline said we are only for crisis not long term,I call them when urges are very severe.I’m a victim of government harrasment/torture for a crime i didnt commit.The details are so criminal none would believe.Not allowed to work,black psychiatry using skills of a shrink to manipulate my life.Police brute force bullying ect ect.Ive been suicidal for some time and i feel forced to it,Ive a plan but will tell my bitterness of what they are still doing to me.They make you look crazy when u speak the truth.Children harmed but no proof and defamed eveywhere.My electronics are watched but if i say anything im called paroniod.Im a good person with much to offer but they murdered all of me inside.I cant recover and they will be nasty when im dead.I hate this world none cares when the good fall because there good.
You can talk to me. I know that you may not know me. However, If you need someone to talk to I’m here. :)
HI, I suffer with severe depression and daily think of suicide. I’ve had therapists and psychiatrists. I am 62 years of age. Went through a devastating divorce in 08 and was told my 32 yr old daughter was not mine who now has nothing to do with me. I have many plans for suicide and know it will be soon, probably by the end of this month, 4 days left. [moderated] I leave a 23 year old daughter behind who I love dearly and a sister thar I love but here husband tells me not to upset her. I have been in the process of giving away possesions and telling people goodbye. I have no real friends or support group. I am self employed as an accountant and my business has continued to fail since my ex left me. I was a successful person for many years but now it comes to a close. I desperately feel I need love and to give love but no one wants us broken beings. Hopefully, it will be over soon. [moderated] Life never turns out like we thought. Gene
Hi Gene,
I understand what you’re saying. You have a plan and you want to carry it out. But how about you let someone try to help you first? http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
The people at the Lifeline are very good at helping people. If you’ve got three days to go, how about you use those three days to see if there’s a better option for you?
– Natasha Tracy
Nice of you to respond. Unfortunately I am beyond help or desiring help. No one is probably nearly as negative as I and like I told someone this morning, I sleep with my doors to my house wide open hoping someone will come in and kill me during the night. I’ve requested my ashes be flushed down the filthiest commode in the filthiest convenience store bathroom in the area. I want to never be remembered as ever having lived, breathed, or walked this earth. Thanks, every dog has his day and mine is around the corner. The shotgun shell with my name on it has already been dated and awaits lift off. Of course I will drive some distance, remove the tags and id information so it takes time to even find out who the person was. i’m sick and alone.
Gene,
i am writing this to see how you are doing. If you see this, please send a reply. We broken beings need each other.
Thank you for this site. I know I have suicidal thoughts and have been struggling with depression, severe anxiety, and ptsd For many years. I do have a caring, helpful Dr, but sometimes I know I just tell him what he wants to hear. I have had a few personal losses in the last two months, and I am not able to work due to my own breast cancer surgery complications. It feels like it will never get better. If it wasn’t for my family, I would have attempted suicide already. I did have a major attempt several years ago, and was starting to feel better, until I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Thank you for giving me hope again.
I have battled bipolar and PTSD for a very long time. I can be depressed and see no hope for long periods and not want to attempt suicide. I would say 95% of the time my suicidal trigger is acute severe anxiety. It’s that deep sharp persistent feeling of grief deep in my chest I can only calm with medication. All of the coping skills in the world cannot tame that deep sorrow that can come out of nowhere for no reason at all. Once it subsides I am ok. It may be different for others, but this is what I have found for myself and it is nice to read.
‘69% had no persistent, significant suicidal thoughts before the suicide attempt; 84% reported fleeting thoughts of suicide similar to those reported by hundreds of other patients who did not attempt suicide’
I am new here. Having issues with rapid cycling. Have called Dr and his office. But they said he was out for a week. The so and sfh thoughts get to much. Needed to vent
Hey I have always been brought up in a abusive background my dad was very violent me and my sister would watch my dad beat my mum up regularly my dad started too let me drink at 9 my m shown signs of resenting and hating me by 12 I started smoking and by 13 I started weed and hard drugs by this age I start ed rebelling at school and my mum wanted me out I sofa surfed for a while then went to a shared supportive housing I was took advantage of by loads of older men my first love was controlling and abusive and has hit me so hard in my face I was unrecognisable he also strangled me and has done alot of other things I was bullied hard by people at school also and punched and stamped on I’ve been jumped and hated I am so suicidal it’s the only thing u think of every day x
Please help me!
I am a 20 year old female, I left home at 18 due to chronic family issues dealing with an verbally abusive step father that’s on anger problem medication. A mom I love dearly, my little brother I love dearly and a very ill grandmother and grandfather.
I left back in 012, its now 014. I moved in with a wonderful guy I’ve been talking long distance with for 2-3 years. We we’re happily married.
I’ve always had a little anxiety but since I’ve started a life of my own my anxiety trippeled.
I’ve always been able to laugh off my problems and move on from tense situations, now everything clings onto me, my partner cheated on me a few weeks after our engagement, that was a year and a half ago, I can’t move on, that alone added a load of pain hurt onto my heart, I’m extremely depressed, I feel alone, even though my husband is here for me, I don’t feel good enough, I cry more than I use to, my days are spent working minimum wage jobs, cleaning the house and that’s it, I have no real friends here, my family and friends are so far away and I bond with his family but it’s nothing like my own.
I want more out of life, I want to be successful, but I have no motivation to get started, I feel like I’m wasting my youthful years on being this way inside, it affects everything around me and my relationships with others I push away by trying to cope with everything, nobody I feel truly understands the way I feel, sometimes I want to just end my life, why keep going? My husband loves me and I love him but why keep feeling like hes putting up with me because he feels sorry for me and what he did.
I have trust issues, I don’t trust him, I love him but I’m afraid he will hurt,me again, I’m so weak, that if he does I will take my life. I cannot handle the pressure of pain like that again I feel fragile, I can see my problems weighing on him everyday and,I don’t,know how much longer I can go, I have a very large amount of HATE on my heart, a scar that will not heal no matter what route I take in life, I try to get up and work out to improve my self image to make Me feel better, I have a comfort for junk food, but since that’s no longer an option to where I need to lose 100lb. I have nothing. I would rather die rather than live in a long depressioned cold world that I’ve been in for some time. I need help soon, or I will have to leave. For good.
sorry have stumbled upon this site and am commenting everywhere but you say in this article ” you can prevent a suicide attempt in a loved one”. This is a very irresponsilble thing to say, bipolar suiicides are notoriously difficult to prevent and I am worrried that this statement may make those people who do not prevent an attempt, end up feeling very very guilty. Seasoned bi polars who really want to check out of life will do so everytime and families left behind need to know that it is not their fault.
I am one of those “seasoned bipolars”. I am 49 with 2 failed marriages. I’m pretty sure bipolar had a hand in it. I failed at my last 4 jobs because the stress exacerbated my condition sending me over the deep end and winding up hospitalised. My condition put me in the judicial system while undergoing medication adjustments. I have a strong immediate psych history with my father and paternal grandmother. On top of that, I’ve had multiple head injuries with one resulting in a skull fracture. I haven’t worked in a year. My mental fragility has hindered it with my high-stress occupation (nurse). I lose my apartment and live in the basement of my 78 & 86 year old parents. I have an abusive sibling I try to avoid. The only meaning to my life is my parents and pets. I have been getting my will, beneficiaries, cemetery niche, etc. in order for the last year. I have no interest in carrying on after my parents are gone. I am lucid and know what I’m doing. I know my manner of death will be suicide. I’m just waiting for the right time. I made a promise to God 4 years ago after surviving a drunk driver. My promise is to be here for mom so she will never feel the loneliness as a widow…the loneliness I have felt my entire life. I will not kill myself while she’s here. Once she’s gone, my purpose here is done. My task is completed and there is nothing else. I will end it with the leftover insulin that belongs to my mother. I’m okay with that. I don’t want to be here anymore. In fact, it’s been so long…I cannot remember the last time I actually wanted to live. Does that make me ACTIVELY suicidal?
Tales of children cursed at birth are common. I am one of those children who has grown and has long ceased waiting for that special someone to relive me of my pain. I live my life and bear the consequences. I do this with gifts we all have if one would just look, ask, or even be bold enough to say I hurt, help me.
i contribute nothing
blah blah blah, yeah i’m meaningful… i just dont buy it
i can not walk with out pain and my body is falling apart right under me
i’m not even 30… i have only the slow decoposition of my body ahead of me
i am worth about 25000 dead in a bag… and exactly nothing alive
i have no children, i have a wife who’s younge and pretty enough to move on
and i have what may or may not be oral cancer ontop of my great gift of degenerative connective tissue
i have had other people try to kill me at least 2 times with little or no reason
my phone never ever rings, and the only letters i get are bills for medical stuff that my employer denies happened at work
the only brigth spot on my whole day is the thought that maybe i’ll die in my sleep
peacefully, without the shame and weakness that would be so apparent if i were to bullet my head
there will be no “attempts” – i’ll either do it, or always wish i had
i don’t care how the family that never talks to me will react
i don’t care about my dog having to lick up my brains
i’ve had this urge for many many years now… and it only gets stronger
i know that the moment i pick up my gun, i’ll do it
so i try not to pick up the gun… i clean it here and there as anyone should
but it’s just damn hard to know that “the best years of my life” are an abysmal failure
and i can not serve to better the woman i love, not in this frial state i’m in
i should be able to walk without pain, i should be able to but am not
my punishment for working hard and being honest was fractured vertebre and god damn cancer!~
i want off the ride
Going through divorce, bankruptcy, job loss and being sued by a bank.. Pretty bleak.. I am thinking about ending it, just so my ex wife and daughter don’t have to suffer so much financially… In other words, worth more dead than alive.. I owe it to them.
Hi Mike,
You might want to double-check with them before you make that assessment. My father is worth $0 alive but I would rather have that and his life rather than money and his dead body.
You are worth more than money. I know that money feels like the world, but when you compare it to the love of your father (or daughter) it is nothing.
– Natasha Tracy
Anxiety is the ultimate driving factor in the attempt of suicide and self harm from my experience. Adding depression to the mix only gives the person a firm foundation of believing life is NOT worth going on for. During those times alcohol abuse was also present. Which is a way of self medicating which of course doesn’t help with the emotions and well being of the individual.
I have found that I can handle the depression side of bipolar so much better than the manic side. Or in my case the mixed episodes are the worse. Anxiety debilitates me…my whole life will come to a hault.
Thankfully I have my husband for support. I can tell him hey I can’t handle anything right now, help. It can go as far as him helping me pick out my clothes to cooking a meal. My mind sees everything as the hugest obstacle of which I can see no solution. With just a little support and help I can usually get a better start on my day. Not being able to care for myself is my ultimate demon…I have learned to accept my fleeting flaws and go on with life.
It is so hard when we feel completely unable to cope with life, I have wished that the world would just stop turning for a day so I can gather myself…unrealistic. however, for our well being sometimes we need to sacrifice getting things done and take a min to breathe. The world will not come to an end.
Hi Samantha,
While people to commit suicide due to depression, you are correct, that, statistically, mixed moods are the most dangerous in terms of suicide. They are often the hardest for people to handle. I hear that one from people all the time.
It’s great you have such support at home. We should all be so lucky.
And as for the world stopping? Sounds like my concept of “Natasha Standard Time” (NST) where the time is relative to wherever I am ;)
– Natasha Tracy
I remember a big brouhaha a few years ago over whether or not Zoloft “caused” suicide because people killed themselves after relatively short courses. And as you highlighted, the study shows a whopping 84% were in recent contact with mental health professionals.
Recently, a Psych student friend explained that people commit or attempt suicide despite starting treatment because they get well enough to be functional enough to follow through on plans (of any kind, even just getting to the grocery store) without being far enough along in recovery to stop feeling suicidal. So the first stage someone who’s been down and suicidal achieves in recovery is the ability to follow through on suicide. Which demonstrates how critically folks need care and attention for some time after they seek help.
I think modern medicine makes us a little complacent. “Yay, she’s on meds and out of the hospital and that’s that!” People need to be aware that when loved ones attempt to kill themselves, it’s not like It’s A Wonderful Life where there’s a magical denouement scene and patients are out of the woods. Even with the best meds and care, they were just handed a compass and it will be some time before they navigate out.
Hi KG,
I actually explain this to people all the time. It’s _not_ that antidepressants _cause_ suicidal behavior, it’s exactly like you said, they cause an increase in energy _before_ enough antidepressant effect kicks in and the person has enough energy to complete a suicide.
But people love to blame the drugs.
Nevertheless, the warning to watching people just starting medication is a good and prudent one and one I think doctors have become much more aware of.
As you said, medications aren’t the ending, they are more of a middle.
– Natasha Tracy
I know before my attempt, recently I contacted two docs. I was desperate for help, but rapid cycling so, the next day to them I seemed ok and they let me go. I am all for a 72 hour hold on anyone who checks into hospital who is suicidal.
I was lucky that people saw my post before the pills took me. I am grateful to my friends who saved my life.
Hi Steven,
It’s definitely hard when someone rapid-cycles. It’s hard for the person and it’s hard for the doctor. I think it takes a lot of effort on the part of the doctor to really investigate someone who’s cycling and determine if they are a danger to themselves. And I’m sorry to say, I just don’t see the doctors taking that much effort. Even though you wanted help.
But you’re here now. And you’re getting help now. Bumping road, right result :)
– Natasha Tracy
I am feeling all of these things right now. I have broken up with my partner who I own a house with, and 3 weeks later he has a new girlfriend. I feel such a failure. All my friends are away at the moment and I’m currently living at my parent’s house. Everything seems too unbearable and I don’t want to have to sell the house.
Hi LB,
I’m sorry to hear things are so hard for you right now. Perhaps I could offer a few thoughts.
I’m sorry you broke up with your partner. Breakups are always hard, and yes, it’s very painful to see your ex move on so quickly. What you’re feeling is perfectly normal. It’s OK to feel sad and hurt about that.
But be clear, this is not a failure. This is not your failure. You are not a failure.
Just because a relationship didn’t work out, it doesn’t mean it’s anyone’s fault. Sometimes relationship don’t work. Both parties might be great, but it doesn’t mean they’re great together.
The jointly-owned house is a complicated issue. Perhaps you could put off making a decision about that until you feel a little stronger.
For now, reach out. You did the right thing by reaching out here, but now you need to take one more step: you need to talk to someone you trust. I understand what you’re saying about your friends being away, but I’m sure someone who cares about you would be willing to talk on the phone and offer you support through this difficult time. Just because your friend isn’t next to you, it doesn’t mean they can’t comfort you.
You are going through something really painful. It’s OK to feel hurt. And yes, maybe it does feel unbeatable today. But it won’t forever. The pain of breakups pass. They really do. Every one of us has had our heart broken but we live to tell the tale. Try not to let temporary pain make permanent decisions.
I wrote this about why it’s important to fight through pain:
https://natashatracy.com/mental-illness/depression/continue-fight-pain-depression/
If you feel you may harm yourself _reach_out_now_. Talk to someone you trust or contact someone here: https://natashatracy.com/get-mental-illness-help/
There are people ready, willing, able and even wanting to help you. You’re not alone. You can get through this.
– Natasha
Natasha-
I was hospitalized with suicidal ideology almost a year ago. While my hospital admission was classified as suicide ideology, the “What Predicts a Suicide Attempt” bullet points were all present. The trigger was a severe anxiety attack specific to another life event. Carrying a majority of the risk factors (living alone, life events, substance abuse, depression, loss of work, loss of relationship—and the list goes on) -did not leave me in a healthy place to handle anything, let alone another “serious” crisis in my life. Consuming enough alcohol and benzo’s to quiet a small community was my personal solution. (not a good one) I was lucky.
Having resources and forums to learn and discuss depression, anxiety, and suicidal situations has been critical in my recovery. It’s a daily battle, however, I am getting better . Thank you and thanks to all that particpate. It helps me.
Hi CT,
Thanks for your comment. It’s interesting to hear that all the risk factors were there for you. I guess there’s something to this science stuff. It’s always more convincing to hear it from a real, live person, however.
“Having resources and forums to learn and discuss depression, anxiety, and suicidal situations has been critical in my recovery. ”
Congratulations on reaching out. That’s what we all need to do to get better.No one gets better alone.
“It’s a daily battle, however, I am getting better . Thank you and thanks to all that particpate. It helps me.”
It sounds like you have a good attitude and any movement in the right direction sounds good to me.
Thank-you, and you’re welcome.
– Natasha Tracy